Not sure what Jeff has to do with it, but I guess you BOTH lose. 
That implies you know or can know intent. Itâs also subjective. The number wounded is empirical.
Huh. You walk into a bar with an assault rifle and 800 rounds of ammo⌠or camp out in a campus clock tower with an assortment of high powered rifles and 1000 rounds of ammo and the intent is clear. Youâd like to shoot as many as possible.
You could walk into a crowded bar with shitters of ammo, open fire and only kill one person before you get shot and killed. That a mass shooting?
You could walk into a crowded bar with shitters of ammo and only intend to kill one person, find that person and shoot him/her before you get shot and killed. What that a mass shooting?
See the issue with intent?
Okay, okay⌠10 or more shot is a mass shooting. Nice round number. 4 just ainât enough. Shit, I could shoot 4 people accidentally.
Sure, but anyone with a whole brain sees the facts and truth which is that you ent even close. 
No - to monotheism - I think we may agree it is an abomination but maybe answer a little question as a diversion from the actual subject which you raised (that being that 'whites" are more murderous than muslims - which has already been disproved with statistics). Where do you place the origin point of âChristianityâ?
Perhaps you donât recall Jeffâs three work replies - often the simple denial âNo it isnâtâ 
So apparently you are back and you have still not told us what statistics you based your original statement on. Havenât got any, have you. Totally just pulled that out of your ass.
You see another mistake you make in comparing âwhitesâ to muslims is that there is no single doctrine which unites white people as a group, while muslims are all united by a belief and mandated adherence to the words of the KooKooranz - the very message of the one and only god, allah (actually a stolen god from a local Meccan pagan group along with the theft of the magic space rock they worship). White murderers do not all enter a room or airport and yell âInsanity is Greatâ, or âIncest is Bestâ, or âI Love dark Turkey Meatâ or other slogan as might the muslim who yells God (allah) is Great before murdering perfect strangers in the name of their religion. But you have been given the beautiful verses demanding that muslims kill the non-muslim so you understand where the violence originates - and not to mention that the mythical founder was himself a murderer. Among the murderers in the US, particularly the mass murders the common factor seems to be mental disorder and that there are such a significant number is an indictment against the society. That can be addressed directly but how is one to address that the infallible is flawed, Starling? No good muslim can doubt the words of the KooKooranz fore they are the infallible words of the one and only god. You see - the Jihadists are the true muslims. However - let me point out again that in terms of total murders committed by muslims those committed as mass murders are not the total number so the measure of 4 times as many murders per capita by muslims vs whites in the US is understated - and you also donât address in you data what you do with murders by white muslims. Now I know you think it cute to say but there are more in total and then not take total population disparity into account so lets go big and exaggerate a bit. Imagine that there is a distinct and homogeneous group of 100 members and all commit a murder - one hundred murders in total. Just 100 compared to 3000 by âwhitesâ. According to you it would be silly to scrutinize that group when another commits 30 times that number, in fact - they are so peaceful lets invite more into the country. No - you are no analytical thinker, you donât even use actual data, you just fart out nonsense. Itâs comical in any case that you would suggest anyone here would like to see muslims disarmed and ridicule that notion when you would like to see all persons disarmed leaving the populace at the mercy of a benevolent government. That always works out.
Now - if the Grand Wistard of the KKK gave orders to KKK members to selectively murder people of a certain demographic in the US do you think it would be wise to keep an eye on the KKK? Because I would, and as you know - the Muslims of Al Qaeda have demanded that muslims in the US kill white people. I guess just lets ignore that.
Hey ALLAH ALLAH AKBAR
I guess those travelers in Istanbul got what was coming to them huh?
Hardly, Spoon - the origins of what is retrospectively sometimes called Christianity in its origins is not Jewish, what came out of Nicea in 325 when the Roman Emperor strong armed acceptance of what became Catholicism very definitely is - complete with wrathful God and evil snakes and obedient mindless compliance and simple belief replacing personal exploration of the Father and the Kingdom within through personal effort - essentially the Old Testament that people like Apey and Starling like to refer to portions of as âChritainityâsâ violent passages. I can understand a pure exoterist not understanding that but you I am surprised at. Xtianity is indeed monotheistic though - and certainly there are the Zoarastrians, Sikhs, Bahaâis as examples of peaceful monotheists but the larger religions seem to take at its core the demand to convert all by force. To make an effort to become a Christ does not require that, nor the subjugation of oneself to an outer supreme being. For some remnant Christianity I recommend Gurdjieff and not so much Poop Francis.
PS: Oh, and Spoon - leave it to an Xtian to require an authority to call a thing what it is.
Happens all the time, awkward!
I have no doubt in my mind they did something to provoke the assault, I donât know what exactly, maybe they all did a flash mob mocking the Prophet Mohammed, or all got gay married, or were dressed provocativelyâŚor it could be something as simple as a perceived slight against Erdogan, who knows?
I see your prior habit of poasting only on weekends has changed. Are you then on vacay from work or something?
I seem to recall that you have previously advanced this argument on this forum, the one about Constantineâs Christianity and how it isnât really Christianity because it fails to meet some poorly stated, sophomoric standard of yours.
You have never managed to âsellâ this argument here previously, and I donât think your incomplete understanding of âexotericâ can be marshalled in support of it â expecially since youâve inadvertently hung yourself out to dry through the irony thereof. Your Russian mystics are no more persuasive as examples of ârealâ Christianity than are St. Hildegard or even Rudolf Steiner, even though I personally admire the latter two immensely.
The Roman church worldwide contains well over a billion congregants who declare themselves Christian, and a fair percentage of them have heard your conceited notions about Nicea (from people more persuasive than yourself) without succumbing to them. I doubt youâll have more success than those previous aggregators of shoddy history and wishful thinking have had.
Good Lord, son â you have even Isaiah chuckling with your pretension. âRemnantââŚLOLOL
Ennyways, speaking as a Christian who numbers Steiner and Ouspensky in his spiritual lineage along with Ezekiel, Origen, Eusebius, Jerome, Luther, Wycliffe and even Hafiz ⌠all I can say is GET BACK IN YER TENT, and take your pitiful âbook learninâ with ya.
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Well - you see, Spoon - it wasnât book lernin I was speaking of. Iâll leave that to you Xtians. Good for you if you adore Steiner, btw, but do know that heâd roll his hollowed eyes at the ridiculous notions of praying for salvation to an outer god - as would GI. My aim hasnât been to convince anyone of anything. Truth does not require a believer.
PS: bear in mind that if calling yourself something is all that is required to be that something then please do not object when members of IS call themselves Muslim - no nonsense about what a real muslim is cause saying does make it so.
Oh those crazy fun loving muslims.
Good point, but youâre putting words into my mouth. Iâd say it takes a bit more than just adopting the name of a belief system. I call myself a Christian because I believe myself to be one. Others are invited to call me a Christian if in their considered opinion I say and do things that they consider consistent with their understanding of the wordâs meaning.
Pardons - intended as an edit to last post but since you made your post:
Blavatsky writes a hilarious reply to an objection to calling her book âThe Secret Doctrineâ then placing it on a public book shelf to be read. But yes - GI Gâs work was to collect the remnants of the Christian foundations as they were practiced, not as they were recited on Sunday in church, or even read from his books - surely there are still schools well hidden from view so if speaking of a thing makes it exoteric then Iâll readopt my practice of never speaking even cursorily of it. 
Iâll simply leave it by saying that nothing I would call Christianity has its feet in Jewism, the word Christ itself having no origin among the Jews - and Iâm sure you know how wrong those Jews got things.
and - Iâll just place a previous edit that you may have missed right here
PS: Oh, and Spoon - leave it to an Xtian to require an authority to call a thing what it is.
(yes - I was making fun of you for requiring outer authority and approval)
I agree.
My point was whites kill more than Muslims in the US, why donât you ban them from owning guns?
Iâve established that fact.
Youâve established that fact.
Whatâs the problem?
Jesus Christ! You are an intellectual train wreck man! Letâs see if I can peel back this onionâŚ
When speaking about the threat a population poses on a people, you do not discuss it on a per capita crime rate basis. You look at it on a total crime basis. The question to be answered is, âIf you were walking down a street in the US, who are you more likely to be killed by? A white person or a Muslim?â The answer is a white person. Nobody calls for the disarming of white people though do they?
To address a good portion of your argument, Iâm going to leave this link here for you as an interest read: http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619
To address other points quickly because theyâve been made out of assumption and/or stupidity:
- I didnât say to invite more Muslims into the US.
- There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. The majority of them are not out murdering infidels. If that is a requirement to being Muslim, then there are over a BILLION shitty Muslims running around this world.
- The world definitely has a big problem with Islamist terrorism.
- Muslims are also victims of terrorist groups such as Al Q, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. And YES, they ignore the calls of terrorists to kill people and denounce their behaviour as being outside of the teachings of Islam.
- I note you failed to mention recent genocides like what happened all but 20 years ago in Bosnia.
- Christianity. You said it wasnât monotheistic. Now youâve come around. Good boy!